| |
|
"Alternative Pool Sanitizers"
Modern technology has made other choices available.
The Pool & Spa Informational Website
askalanaquestion.com |
Making A Different Pool Sanitizer Choice
|
Scroll down to browse
through some archived SWIMMING POOL questions and answers.
Please click the
Pool Topics Link, on top of every page, to
access a complete listing of Pool Problem subjects, an alphabetized
Website Table of Contents, Pool Equipment Information, About Alan
Biographic Material, Pool Newsletter and a Pool Glossary. Use
the other links to access additional subject information.
|
The phrase
"Alternative Pool Sanitizer" usually refers to something other than
conventional forms of chlorine: the most popular sanitizing product.
Alternative Pool Sanitizers include: salt chlorine generators,
ionization-oxidation, ionizers, mineral sanitizers, ozone generators,
ultraviolet sanitizers, biguanide and bromine. Some alternatives
perform best by being used in combination, while others can be stand alone.
Some alternatives are other chemicals and some are generating or releasing
devices. The quest for simple & effective pool sanitizing is ongoing.
The goal is better sanitizing, more convenience, less chemical sensations
and safety. What is right for any pool will depend on how it is used,
by whom it is used, bather demand, importance of convenience and cost
considerations. No matter which sanitizer is used, it is a good
practice to shock the spa at least periodically, after periods of heavy
usage and at distinct signs of a loss of water quality. This will help
to rid the water of organic buildups and prevent the development of
resistant microorganisms.
Clicking
on the underlined
and highlighted "keywords" or "catch phrases," in
the archived answers will give you access to additional information on that
topic or product.
Click any image for more product
or ordering information.
|
More information about the ChlorEase Salt
Chlorine Generators
can be found by clicking on the center images, above. These
can be used in any above ground pool, with a flat top rail. Simple to
install. No more chlorine to buy, handle or store. More
information about some new & unique products, for above ground & inground
pools, can be found by visiting
The Website Stores.
You'll never know what you'll find and that's
always fun.
Be better prepared and avoid costly problems! |
► Would Like To Be Chlorine-Free?
My has an extreme sensitivity to chlorine and/or the byproducts associated with
its use in pools. He breaks out, whenever he goes into any chlorine pool.
We would like to have an inground pool installed, but not without being able to
avoid using chlorine. Can you offer suggestions?
Henry K., Temecula, CA, 10/31/2009
The simple answer would be to use biguanide, as it is
incompatible with chlorine. However, the product does have its share of
baggage. Most users encounter problems with resistant microorganisms,
after periods, as short as one season. Try as they might, the only
practical solution, at that point, is to permanently switch to another
sanitizer. It also impedes proper filtration and causes foaming. It
is not the long term solution that you are seeking.
Chorine acts as a
disinfectant, sanitizer and oxidizer of organic wastes and byproducts.
Many products or devices claim to perform "chlorine-free", but may not be
acting with the sanction and approval of the U.S. Environmental Protection
Agency. This agency regulates the text that appears on a registered
product's label. It is easy to take liberties, with sales materials.
Bromine will meets these goals and, while closely related to chlorine
chemically, in terms of being another member of the halogen family of elements,
it has been found to be less irritating. Ordinarily 3-5 PPM of bromine are
required. With some additional treatment products, you can get optimum
results with a much lower 1-2 PPM level.
As a first step, I would add a UltraViolet
sanitizer. It kills virtually every microorganism, including the
worst offenders, as pool water passes through the cell and returns to the pool.
It will reduce the microbial population of the pool, but will not sanitize the
water, in the pool, completely, nor will it eliminate algae, that might be
growing on underwater surfaces or oxidize organic wastes and byproducts.
Still, it accomplishes much and adds no chemicals, but needs some help to do the
complete job. For more about UV go to:
www.deltauv.com An Ozone
Generator will help destroy many microorganisms, organic wastes and byproducts,
without adding chemicals. Ozone is a form of oxygen, that is a
powerful oxidizer, but is short lived. The ozone might only remain in the
water for twenty minutes, after the unit is shut off.
Adding
The Circulator,
to each return will help it reach the far corners of the pool, as good
circulation is very important in achieving your goal.
Operating the ozone generator, for periods spaced throughout the day, would be
of great help. Operating with a 2-speed pump on low 24/7, is something to
consider. For more about ozone generators go to:
www.waterquality.net. At
this point, you have greatly reduced microbial populations and controlled
organic wastes, without adding chemicals. What is missing is something to
act as a persistent sanitizer. The Pool Frog is a mineral sanitizer, that
uses silver ions to kill microorganisms. It is normally used with chlorine
or bromine and will help reduce the need for the higher 3-5 PPM level of bromine.
For more about the Pool Frog, go to:
www.kingtechnology.com
Because the ozonator is doing much of the oxidation, the amount of bromine
required, to maintain any given level, will be greatly reduced.
At this point, you have a low level of bromine and the only
other chemical being added is silver ions. When the pool is filled,
adjust the pH, total alkalinity and calcium hardness, as required.
As mankind has learned, microorganisms are highly adaptable. On a monthly
basis or after periods of heavy bather usage, to help prevent the formation of
resistant microorganisms and to assure peak performance of this triad approach
to a reduced halogen pool, I would add enough potassium monopersulfate shock
(non-chlorine) to boost the bromine level to 3-5 PPM. You want 3-5 PPM present, for at least a few hours. I suggest this
last step, as assurance against developing a sanitizer resistant microorganism.
It may not be needed, but better safe than sorry. However, if you ever
feel slimy deposits on the underwater surface, it should be taken as a sign that
something may not be performing properly or that this periodic bromine treatment needs to be done.
A high-efficiency filter can further assure optimum water quality, while
remaining a low halogen pool.
I hope that this information will prove helpful.
Sincerely. Alan Schuster, 10/31/2009
► Won't Do Without
One?
I live in Houston. We are
starting the process of getting quotes to build a new pool. My sister in
Chicago has a pool ionizer. I have never seen anything as easy as this.
Every season they put a few bags of salt in the pool when they and the
ionizer makes its own chlorine. They rarely have to add anything. Is it
possible to have this system in the hot humid weather that we have here in
Houston? I do not want a pool that is not an ionizer. Can you help me
in finding a pool company in our area that will install this system with
maintenance service?
Becky A., 3/6/2004
Not a
problem! The product that you are referring to as an "ionizer" is
more correctly described as a
salt chlorine generator system.
That's why some salt is added yearly: in order to replenish the salt content,
after the pool water level has been restored in the springtime. An ionizer
is something different: it uses copper and silver ions, in conjunction
with shock treatments, to maintain proper water quality. An ionizer does
not make chlorine!
A
salt chlorine generator system can produce all of your pool's chlorine
requirements, with a minimum of other chemicals. It is like having a
chlorine manufacturing plant. Chlorine output is controlled by a
setting on a dial and is making adding pool chlorine the old fashioned way
obsolete. It works in the humidity of Florida and the Arizona desert.
Having it installed in Houston is as simple as going
to a manufacturer's website. Using a dealer locator will help you find a local company. You'll,
also, find a lot of product information on their website. Good luck with
the pool.
Sincerely.
Alan Schuster, 3/7/2004
► Salt Chlorinators &
Mineral Sanitizers?
Your website is a great source of information
that I found while doing research on alternate pool sanitizer solutions.
Thank you for your time in providing this service. I hope this isn't a
repeat, but I didn't find the specific info on the mineral sanitizers, and
specifically not any comparison between the two in terms of effectiveness,
cost and ease of use. I would very much like to know your thoughts on
the relative merits of the mineral sanitizers and salt water chlorine
generators.
Gene G., Madison, AL, 7/7/2004
A
salt chlorinator
is a complete pool sanitizing system. About all you'll need on a regular
basis is some acid to lower the pH. It is like maintaining a chlorine pool
without the headaches or the handling of chlorine. It is highly automated
and controllable. Need more chlorine - just dial it up. A
mineral
sanitizer adds metallic ions
to control algae and bacteria. You will still have to add chlorine or
non-chlorine shock on a regular basis, to perform the necessary oxidizing
function. In either case, the water chemistry must be maintained. A
salt chlorinator will cost more initially. While I don't have specific
figures, I suspect that over the life of the unit, the cost will be very
competitive and possibly lower depending upon individual circumstances.
Some salt cells are rated to last 5 years or more, depending upon the location.
Mineral sanitizer cartridges
have life expectancies that about 6 months, by comparison.
You can use both products together. That will allow you to maintain
a lower level of free chlorine and that will make control of the pH
easier and extend the life of the salt cell. I hope that the
information proves to be helpful.
Sincerely.
Alan Schuster, 7/7/2004
►
Ionization-Oxidation?
Dear Alan, your fame spreads
far and wide! Another couple of questions from the other side of the pond
(U.K.) I am considering fitting an ioniser, several manufacturers out
there, some use copper electrodes, some copper and silver, some use copper,
silver and zinc. from my own studies of bacterial research via the web it
appears that there is a synergy between copper and silver which provides a
kill rate at 4ppm which can only be matched by copper alone at 8ppm
therefore am I correct that the life of the electrodes (copper & silver) will
be longer due to the amount of ions required and also the electricity
required will be less saving the planet a bit more not too mention that
staining should be less? Second question, You do not seem to mention
that some manufacturers include a second pair of electrodes (titanium or
platinum) that are used to provide oxygen to burn up those impurities
normally carried out via chlorine, thus eliminating chlorine completely.
What are your thoughts? I have also found a German company that has
made diamond surfaced plates that produce 100% more oxygen than platinum
plates. Kind regards.
John W., U.K., 4/10/2007
I
will always have fond memories of the UK and the pool business, having
attended a trade show in Brighton, many years ago. Ionizers (forgive
the spelling) sanitize by releasing metallic ions: copper, silver and
zinc. As far as concentration is concerned, 4 or 8 PPM, is far too
high, as that would likely result in staining and discoloration problems.
Levels in the tenths of a PPM would be more appropriate, in a swimming pool.
While an ionizer helps sanitize the water, it is not a complete
system. Oxidation will still be required. Towards that end, an
Ionization-Oxidation device is more of a complete sanitizing aid. These
devices can have copper and zinc electrodes and electrodes for producing various forms
of active oxygen. Apart from thinking the plates are titanium with a
Platinum or Ruthenium coating, I have no knowledge of a diamond coating.
To make an Ionization-Oxidation unit much more of a complete sanitizer, you could use it with
chlorine or bromine, at very low levels. It can be
challenging to totally eliminate chlorine, as its presence on a persistent
basis provides both sanitizing and oxidizing and it might be required,
occasionally, if the bather loads are high or conditions warrant. The
maintenance of a minimal level of chlorine or bromine, helps to confirm that
the sanitizing and oxidizing needs are being met. For
those that want to totally eliminate chlorine, Ionization-Oxidation
could be a route. Adding high efficiency filtration,
The Circulator
for improved circulation or a
UV
sanitizer will make success more
likely. If you want to minimize the use of chlorine, Ionization-Oxidation will surely accomplish that and more. I hope that this information proves useful.
Sincerely.
Alan Schuster, 4/10/2007
► Perplexed
About Biguanide?
I have been using biguanide
for several years and been happy with the results. It may cost more, but I
like the feel and the lack of chlorine odors. The problem is that on two
occasions the pool has developed a water mold. I had to add
chemicals and chlorine shock and, in effect, had to start all over. The
dealer says it could happen again. Short of switching to something else,
can you suggest something? Thanks.
Paul B., Lake Worth, FL,
9/4/2003
You could try
adding an
Ultra-Violet Sanitizing unit. It will depress the microbial
populations and help prevent a possible recurrence. If the problem does
recur, you really should permanently switch from biguanide. In that case,
you could change to chlorine or bromine and the UV unit will allow you to
maintain satisfactory sanitizer levels with fewer chemicals. It's your
call. Good luck with your decision.
Sincerely.
Alan Schuster, 9/5/2003
►
Why Aren't Ozonators More Popular?
Ozonators sound like
a good idea. So why are they not very popular? Is it good for a lazy
pool owner?
John W.,
6/24/2005
They may not
be as popular as chlorine, but their popularity is increasing in all types of
residential and commercial pools. The use of
ozone generators has been widespread in
spas for many years. Ozonators are
not complete stand alone pool sanitizers.
A backup system, usually chlorine or bromine must be used. A salt chlorine
generator can be used in conjunction with an ozonator
and will provide additional benefits.
Mineral sanitizers and ionizers can also be used in conjunction with ozone and
chlorine, to provide backup sanitizing and reduce the chlorine usage. In addition, all of the important water chemistry parameters must be maintained,
as in a chlorine-maintained pool. Yes, it is convenient. Yes,
it will reduce the overall requirements for sanitizer and will simplify chemical
balancing. Yes, it is good for "lazy" pool owners. There are other
choices that might be worthy of your consideration. Salt chlorine generators can completely eliminate the need
for any chlorine and there is no need for a backup. Still the water
chemistry must be maintained. But isn't that what pool service companies
are for? I hope that I have been of assistance.
Sincerely.
Alan Schuster, 6/24/2005

ColorQ All-Digital Water Analyzer
(Click on the Image for
product & ordering information.)
►
An Ionizer vs. A Salt Chlorinator?
I'm building a new concrete 26X42 pool and I'm
having a little difficulty deciding on the purifier to use. One of my
concerns is to eliminate as much as possible any chemicals used (i.e. I hate the
smell and feel of chlorine). So I've looked at several chlorine generators
and Copper/Silver Ionizers. Some vendors swear by the generators
because you don't have to handle chlorine. But, they can't answer my
concern that the Chlorine content of the pool is probably no different (i.e.
regular Chlorinators). On the other hand, Ionizers claim to use little or
no Chlorine. What can you tell me about the relative strengths, beyond
trivialities, between generators and Ionizers? Any recommendations are
appreciated.
Mike S., 8/22/2003
With an Ionizer you will
still have to add chlorine, bromine or non-chlorine shock on a regular basis.
Otherwise, organic byproducts will buildup to problem levels. The use of
chlorine or bromine will act as a backup sanitizer and help assure better water
quality. The ionization unit will reduce the use of chemical sanitizing
products - how much less will depend on your particular usage pattern.
The
POOL FROG combines mineral sanitizer and
salt chlorine generator technologies and allows the chlorine requirements to be
reduced to about 1/2 of the normal level. The
overall pool chemistry must still be maintained, as with any pool. Your
concern about chlorine should be eliminated.
Under normal conditions, it is chloramines that prove odorous and irritating.
With a salt chlorination system, all the
water passing through the cell will be free of odorous and irritating
chloramines and there should be much less of a sensation of chlorine being in
the pool. My own long-term, experience bears this out. It is the
chloramines - not the chlorine that are smelled.
There are no chlorine containers to handle or store! As with
any chlorine pool, you will have to maintain all of the other water chemistry
parameters.
Test the salt level,
periodically to assure that the amount is within the proper range. Good
luck with your decision. I hope that I have been helpful.
Sincerely. Alan
Schuster, 5/13/2004
► Ionizer Needed Chlorine To Maintain Water Quality?
I purchased this powered
ionizer, for above ground pools and I think it is time for
me to replace the cartridge in this ionizer. I am debating
buying another cartridge, because the replacement price is going to
be around $150. Can you please share your opinion and/or
suggestions about this product or any others similar to it?
What is your personal experience or advice regarding these
ionizers? Being a new above ground pool owner, I am not able to
determine if this product is worth re-investing my money again every
2 or 3 yrs. Please advise & Thanks for all your help.
Debbie R, Dallas, TX,
10/25/2009
When sanitizing products, such as
algaecides or chlorine, are registered by the US Environmental Protection
Agency, they receive an EPA Reg. Number. In addition, the agency limits the
types of claims that can be made. For some unfathomable reason the EPA does not
register devices and they seem free to make claims, that may not be supported.
I agree that this product can help sanitize water. But water can be sanitary
and look unappealing. Wastes must be oxidized, with the use of chlorine,
bromine, ozone, potassium monopersulfate or hydrogen peroxide.
WHAT ARE YOU ADDING TO OXIDIZE BATHER
WASTES? THIS PRODUCT WILL NOT DO ANYTHING TO ELIMINATE URINE! Mineral
sanitizers, such as the
Pool Frog usually suggest the use of
chlorine or bromine, at lower levels, to destroy the wastes. In my opinion,
stand alone ionizers fail to provide proper water quality and add to the risks
of staining. In many cases, the dealer tells the pool owner that no chlorine is
needed. Just add a gallon of laundry bleach weekly. Guess what! Most laundry
bleach is chemically identical to liquid pool chlorine, only at about 1/4 - 1/2
the strength. Go to
www.kingtechnology.com for
some mineral sanitizing options that are up front about the need to add chlorine
or bromine. And if you have to add chlorine, The
ChlorEase Above Ground Salt Chlorinator
is in the same price range, as the refill.
I am really interested
about what other chemicals, you are adding. Please get back to me.
Regards. Alan Schuster, 10/26/2009
To be honest
with you, my pool guy, (who bailed on me in July), was treating
my pool, as if the ionizer was not there. He said, he wasn't
too sure that these ionizers were very efficient, so he just
kept caring for my pool with chlorine and shock, which of course
kept my pool clean and blue. However, I was in Florida for
a month when my pool guy quit, and when I got back, I had a
green tinted pool. Since then, I lost my
job, and have had a hard time buying the chemicals necessary to
get all the algae out. Not too mention it has been raining
almost every other day or 3rd day here in Dallas for the past
several months. When the pool supply places test my
water, I have had ELEVATED levels of both pH & alkalinity and 0
chlorine. When we finally got the ph & Alk level.
Then I treat with algaecide, then 5 to 6 lbs of shock and
floating 1 inch stabilized chlorine tabs. I vacuum, and
still am unable to get my pool totally blue. I think the rain
is killing my chlorine levels, because I cant seem to keep it
up. And those 1-lb pkgs. of shock are so expensive, it is
ridiculous. I have been looking for pool chemicals online, but
am unsure which ones are the best value for the money. My
vinyl is solid White, with the exception of a 7 inch color
design around the top edge of the liner, right about where
the top of the water level should be. I am not concerned
about bleaching any color from my vinyl, yet the pool supply
people, keep wanting to sell me the more expensive shock
treatment made especially for vinyl pools. Every week, when I
go to the pool supply store, it is costing me anywhere from $80
to $130 in chemicals. So that is the reason I was
inquiring about the efficiency of my power ionizer, & whether or
not I should invest in another cartridge due to the pricing of
the item. I was hoping to save on over-all chemical costs.
And, after reading the info you suggested RE: ChlorEase and the
Saltwater ChlorEase, I am a little confused. Do I have to have
a salt water system already set up on my pool, to use the salt
water ChlorEase system? OR Do you recommend I stick w/the
regular ChlorEase system as opposed to the saltwater ChlorEase
system? Any suggestions or advice you provide will be greatly
appreciated. Thanks for all your help
Debbie R., Dallas, TX, 10/28/2009
Like I
said, an ionizer cannot work without chlorine or some form of oxidizer. At
best, it can help reduce chlorine usage. Your pool was being maintained on
chlorine. When the chlorine was stopped, that is when algae took over. The
low pH and TA are the result of the algae and not the cause.
It seems the product did little to deter algae and I would not invest in a
replacement cartridge. Because this is a device, their claims are not
regulated by the EPA. They can boast about no chlorine, but in the real
world, the truth gets exposed. I suggest that you add chlorine and get
the free chlorine level elevated. Liquid pool chlorine is
vinyl-liner safe and cost effective. Or read the labels and use a cost
effective choice, since money is a consideration. It will probably require
a lot of chlorine. The POOL FROG is something that can help you
reduce chlorine usage, after you have eliminated the current problem.
The
ChlorEase
unit is described as a saltwater generator or salt chlorine generator (the
terms are used interchangeably), for above ground pools, with flat top rail
construction: no soft or vinyl sided pools can be used, with this product.
The unit mounts under the top rail. It will require about 30 pounds of
salt, per 1000 gallons, but will make enough chlorine for a typical 18,000
gallon pool. It requires ordinary non-iodized food or water softener
graders of salt- about 10 cents a pound. For better control of the pH,
better overall results and longer cell life, it can be used with the
Pool Frog.
Good luck with the clean up and I hope that I have been helpful.
Sincerely. Alan Schuster, 10/28/2009
►
Algaecide:
To Use Or Not To Use?
I have never used an algaecide in my
new above ground pool and have had no problems to date. My friends
with pools, all seem to use algaecides and chlorine. Is it a good idea to
use algaecide? Just wondering.
Jeff E., Lakeland, NJ,
6/30/2004
The best
way to use an algaecide is to add it before you have a problem!
That way, it can help you avoid a problem. Chlorine levels rise and fall
during the course of the day, depending upon chemical additions and bather
usage. When the sanitizer levels drops too low, algae can begin to
grow. If an algaecide is present, it just might keep the algae under
control, until an adequate sanitizer level is restored. Both above ground
and inground pools should use algaecides. However, the choices may differ
because of the materials of construction. I hope that
I have been of assistance.
Sincerely.
Alan Schuster, 6/30/2004
►
How Does UV
Sanitize?
I am interested in getting
away from all the chlorine and the odors associated with the product. I
know there are several types of alternative pool water sanitizers available,
which can reduce or eliminate chemical usage. I've read up on some of
them, but am not really clear about Ultraviolet. Is this the same as
Ozone? How does it work? Thanks for the help.
Adam J., 11/2/2004
Ultraviolet
(UV) is not ozone. Some ozone generators utilize UV to produce ozone, but
not as a sanitizing agent. UV rays destroy the microorganisms ability to
survive and function, after passing through the cell membrane.
An
ultraviolet sanitizer unit is plumbed inline
and effectively
sanitizes the water, as it passes through the
cell. This has the net effect
of reducing the overall microbial populations and reducing the amount of
sanitizer necessary to maintain optimum water quality and to keep the pool
algae-free. UV will
reduce the microbial population, but requires a traditional sanitizer to help
keep it that way and to help the underwater surfaces free of algae.
Chlorine is well suited, in this role, and lower quantities of
chemicals will be required because of the lower microbial populations.
Visit
www.deltauv.com for
more complete information on ultraviolet sanitizers. Good water circulation is important and a
robotic pool cleaner
would be a worthwhile addition, helping to keep the underwater surfaces in
algae-free condition. I hope that I have been
helpful.
Sincerely.
Alan Schuster, 11/2/2004
► Concerned About
Copper?
We have used a mineral sanitizer system for the last
2 years with great results. We can keep our chlorine levels low and the water
stays perfectly clear. This year, my wife has seen info that indicates
that this system may not be good for the pool, as it introduces copper into the
water Can you please shed some light on this subject? Thanks.
Bill, 5/30/2004
Mineral
sanitizers and ionization units usually release a stream of metallic ions, into
the pool water, for the purpose of providing sanitizing benefits. The ions are at extremely low levels, so as not to cause staining and/or
discoloration. I assume that this is the issue that you were addressing.
The FROG Mineral Sanitizer utilizes silver ions and does not
contribute any copper to the water. The instances, where copper can present a problem, result from the use of copper
sulfate, corrosion of copper heater cores or excessively high concentrations,
due to over application. I hope that I have provided some enlightenment.
Sincerely.
Alan Schuster, 5/31/2004
|