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Scroll down to browse through some archived SWIMMING POOL questions and answers.  Please access the Pool Topics Page and other links, at the top of every page, for additional information.

Ozone (O3) is a form of Oxygen (O2) and is a powerful oxidizing agent that can control microorganisms, destroy organic contamination, byproduct build ups, dead algae and organic debris.   It is not a complete sanitizer in the truest sense, because it does not remain in the water for long periods of time.  In a swimming pool, there must be a backup sanitizer such as, chlorine or bromine, usually at about 1/2 the normal level.  Because the ozonator does  most of the oxidizing, far less chlorine or bromine will be required to maintain any given level.  Ozonators, also known as Ozone Generators, can greatly reduce the quantity of the backup sanitizer that would, otherwise, be required.  This is especially important in larger pools, heavy bather usage situations and commercial pools.  The devices that generate Ozone fall into two categories:  UV or Corona discharge.  Commercial pools, larger residential pools or heavy bather load pools should utilize a corona-discharge unit, as it is capable of producing larger amounts of ozone.  With ozonation, the water chemistry should be maintained in the typical manner.  Clicking on the underlined and highlighted "keywords" or "catch phrases," in the archived answers will give you access to additional information on that topic or product.  Please refer to the Glossary, if there are terms or phrases that require explanation.

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► Ozone, Chlorine & ORP?

I have a system with an ozone generator and a controller for pH and ORP on my swimming pool. I keep my pH at 7.5 and my ORP at 700. The one thing I have always been confused about is how long to run my filter pump.  And what should the Chlorine level be?  I've been told I can use almost no chlorine, if I run my system 24 hours a day. Presently I am maintaining a chlorine level of about 0.4 - 0.6 ppm and run my filter for 10 - 12 hours a day, usually for 12 hours during summer and when the pool is heated.  I'd like to minimize chlorine usage.  As I see it, it's a trade off between chemical usage, electricity for the pump and how much chlorine in the water I'm willing to deal with.  Is my practice an acceptable one, or would you suggest otherwise?  Thank you.

Ken C., 4/23/2005

You're right.  It is a trade off.  I suggest that you continue as you are doing.  It is not a good idea to give up on the chlorine, as its presence acts as confirmation that proper sanitation exists.  With the ozone generator, it will take little chlorine to maintain this lower than normal level.  The big negative, about chlorine, is formation of odorous and irritating chloramines.   In your pool, this is not a problem because the ozone destroys the chloramines.  Chlorine acts as a persistent sanitizer and helps backup the ozone.  You seem to have things well in hand.  All I can suggest is that you operate the filter and ozonator for two sessions per day, by dividing the current running times in half.  That way the pool will be without ozone being produced for fewer hours at a time.   For more information about Ozone and Ozone Generators go to:  www.waterquality.net  I hope that I have been helpful.

Sincerely.  Alan Schuster, 4/24/2005

 

Ozone: how does it work?

How do pool Ozonators work?  Will other chemicals and chlorine still be required?  Thanks for the help.  Sincerely.

Jason H., Reading, PA, 7/24/2003

There are two common methods of generating ozone in a pool.  Most units pass air over a UV light source, that converts oxygen into ozone.  Others units use corona discharge (electric sparking similar to lightning) to convert oxygen into ozone.  The corona discharge units can produce higher quantities of ozone.  In a swimming pool, the ozone can destroy organic matter, including algae and bacteria.  The Ozone Generator is usually operated in conjunction with the timer and the filter.  Once the Ozonator is shut off, all production of ozone ceases and the ozone in the water quickly leaves - there is no residual effect.  At this point, the pool is subject to microbial growth, especially on the walls and in the corners.  Because of this limitation of ozone, there must be a backup sanitizer, most often chlorine  or bromine.  However, the Ozonator will reduce the amount of chlorine or bromine required, to a fraction of what it would be, otherwise.  So far as the overall water chemistry is concerned, it must be maintained in consideration of water clarity and quality, bather comfort and corrosiveness.  I hope that I have been of assistance.

Sincerely.  Alan Schuster, 7/24/2003

 

► High Chlorine Levels?

Alan-we have a new indoor pool and are having trouble keeping the chlorine level down.  The pool is used primarily by one swimmer, and is covered around 23 hours per day. We’ve been using a dichlor shock treatment once a week per instructions.  I’ve shut our chlorinator (which uses 3” tablets) off entirely.  With the chlorinator off for more than one week now, and with a shock per above one day ago, our readings are total chlorine (between 3 and 10), free chlorine (10+), with pH, total alkalinity, and stabilizer at normal levels.  When the cover comes off, there is a definite chlorine odor.  The pool has an ozone generator, and the mineral-type skimmer inserts in each of two skimmers.  I suspect that with no sunshine burn off, and limited bather use, there is limited consumption of chlorine.  Is the solution to not shock and dribble in very little chlorine, or shock using less shock product?  We’re literally itching for an answer!  Thanks!

Stephen R., Alaska, 1/31/2004

I can see from your email address why the pool is indoors.  I do have an answer for you, but it may not, entirely, be the one you expect.  Stop adding all chlorine:  either in the form of tablets or shock!  Your pool is equipped with an ozonator, mineral sanitizer, is located indoors, is covered most of the time and not subject to high bather loads.  This means that the ozonator and the mineral sanitizer should be more than capable of meeting all of your pool's sanitizer requirements.  The chlorine levels are building up because there is nothing for them to react with - just as you might have suspected.  The recommendations for chlorination and shocking were probably made based on the pool NOT being equipped with an ozonator and mineral sanitizer.  The only time you will ever need to shock the pool is at the first sign of a loss of water quality or after periods of heavy bather usage.  Under these circumstances use a full strength chlorine or non-chlorine shock. The equipment that you have is what I frequently recommend to pool owners that are sensitive to either chlorine or bromine.  I hope that this will solve the problem.
 
Sincerely.  Alan Schuster, 2/1/2004
 

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I received the ozone tester.  What should the optimum reading be?  I see there are 4 levels - 0.01ppm, 0.025, 0.05 and 0.10.  Thanks.

Peter B., 5/6/2005

Thank you for ordering the Ozone Test kit.  I don't believe that there is a standard for ozone.  Ozone is short lived, with about 1/2 lasting for only 20 minutes.  It reacts almost instantly with organic matter, has limited solubility in water and gasses off.  All this conspires to make ozone testing challenging.  It is best done right at the return jet.  The presence of measurable amounts of ozone, in the return flow, confirms that the ozone generator is working.  All that should be present, are the low levels shown on the test kit.  Higher levels, especially in indoor situation could prove irritating.  Equally important are the facts that the ozonator size (output) should be adequate for the spa water volume, that it be operated for sufficient periods of time and that a backup sanitizer, such as chlorine, bromine or a mineral sanitizer be used.  Now that you have confirmed that ozonation is occurring, you need to maintain the backup sanitizer at about 1/2 of the normal concentration.  Good luck with the spa and thanks for ordering the test kit.

Sincerely.  Alan Schuster, 6/6/2005

 

Why Aren't Ozonators More Popular?

Ozonators sound like a good idea.  So why are they not very popular?  Is it good for a lazy pool owner?

John W., 6/24/2005

They may not be as popular as chlorine, but their popularity is increasing in all types of residential and commercial pools.  The use of ozone generators has been widespread in spas for many years.  Ozonators are not complete stand alone pool sanitizers.  A backup system, usually chlorine or bromine must be used.  A salt chlorine generator can be used in conjunction with an ozonator and will provide additional benefits.  Mineral sanitizers and ionizers can also be used in conjunction with ozone and chlorine, to provide backup sanitizing and reduce the chlorine usage.  In addition, all of the important water chemistry parameters must be maintained, as in a chlorine-maintained pool.   Yes, it is convenient.  Yes, it will reduce the overall requirements for sanitizer and will simplify chemical balancing.  Yes, it is good for "lazy" pool owners.  There are other choices that might be worthy of your consideration.  Salt chlorine generators can completely eliminate the need for any chlorine and there is no need for a backup.   Still the water chemistry must be maintained.  But isn't that what pool service companies are for?  I hope that I have been of assistance.

Sincerely.  Alan Schuster, 6/24/2005

 

► Chlorine And Ozone?

I purchased a pool with an ozone generator this last summer and had the pool company come and start it up for me.  They mentioned that if I had a pool service come out to work on my pool they would tell me something is wrong with my pool as there are air bubbles in my filter pump that are being pushed out to my pool - the ozonator manufacturer states this is absolutely normal.  He was telling me that these bubbles will ruin my filters and I will find myself replacing them much sooner than if I didn't have an ozonator.  He at one point bluntly made the statement that they are fancy pieces of equipment that don't actually work - that bugged me.  He also pointed out that the pressure in the filter casing was below 10lbs.  My pool company told me is should be below 10 at all times, if it gets above ten that I need to clean the filters.  This pool service guy told me that it should be between 15 and 20 lbs at all times to keep the filters from expanding and contracting which, according to him (the pool guy), will ruin my filters.  I have been toying with the idea of putting in a switch that will shut off the air flow from the ozonator to see what kind of performance differences I get by running straight chlorine vs. chlorine with an ozonator.  Your comments? Thanks.

Chris K., TX, 4/1/2005

An ozone generator should be installed before the pump, so that the proper venturi effect will be created.  Doing this sends ozone through the filter and results in a cleaner filter with less debris and oily accumulations.  That's why you see bubbles and why there will be longer filter runs.  The pressure is staying lower, in part, because of the action of the ozone.  Unless your filter manufacturer give you information to the contrary, I don't see a problem.  You don't have to install a switch to shut off the air flow to see what will happen.  I can tell you!  You will positively use more chlorine and that should make the "pool guy" happy.  Ozonators and chlorine work well together.  A case of they said vs. he said.  Simple as that.  I hope that I have shed some light on the subject.

Sincerely.  Alan Schuster, 4/1/2005

 

► Minimizing Chemicals?

After reading more of your advise to others, I am wondering if we could get away with using NO chlorine by using an ozonator along with a mineral pac or an ionizer.  We are getting a small (3,600 gals.) fiberglass pool which will be covered with a 4" spa cover, and will also be under a patio cover, used by 2 adults.  We plan to keep the pool at 87-90 degrees.  What would you recommend?  Would our filter (sand) have to run longer if we do not use chlorine or a salt chlorinator?  What other additives/tests would we need to use, and would we have to be extra careful to add fresh water, because of the pool being covered all the time?  Is it smarter to just go with a salt chlorinator?  Our pool installer is discouraging us from use the salt chlorinator, and if indeed we can get by with no chlorine, that would be ideal.  However, we want to keep things simple as well as clean, and safe.  I'm obviously in the dark about pool chemistry and appreciate any insight that you can offer.  Thanks.

Patty, Tucson, AZ, 10/20/2004

What you are proposing will work.  Just make sure that the ozonator is properly sized for your pool.  The combination of an ozone generator and a mineral sanitizer will work well, even at higher temperatures, as this combination is popular in spas.  For the sake of bather comfort and water quality, the overall pool water chemistry must be maintained in the typical manner.  This combination should not require filtration practices that are different from typical pools of the same size and configuration.  By add The Circulator, you will dramatically improve circulation and eliminate dead zones.  This makes it possible to send ozone to the four corners of the pool, achieving optimum performance.  Another means of minimizing chemical usage is with ultraviolet sanitizing.  Adding a UV sanitizer will allow you to use as much as 85% less chlorine or bromine, killing virtually all of the microorganisms, as the water flows through the unit.  I would still advise the use of a low level of chlorine, as it confirm that proper conditions exist.  All it should take is a 0.5-1.5 PPM level.  There is be little sensation of chlorine and the amount used, to maintain this level, will be much less.  You may not eliminate chlorine, but you will come close.  I hope that this information will prove to be helpful.  Please tell your friends and dealers about the website.

Sincerely.  Alan Schuster, 10/20/2004

► Ozone And Bromine In A Pool?

Hi, I have a 32,000 gallon pool and I have an OZONATOR and I use Bromine. I have two questions. First the water seems to have a sweet smell, is this due to the ozone?  I have never noticed it in past years.  If it is from the ozone does it mean the ozone level is too high?  My second question is everyone says an ozonator can save on sanitizer. How do I know what level of Bromine to maintain and what are the signs the Bromine level is too low?  Thank You.

D. D., 6/14/2004

A poet once described ozone as smelling like ocean waves crashing on the rocks.  It is possible that you are detecting some ozone, at times when it might be high.  Without an ozone generator you would need to maintain 3-5 PPM of bromine.  With the ozonator, you should be able to manage with 1-3 PPM and it will require less bromine to maintain.  Even if you maintained the same 3-5 PPM level, it would still take less bromine, because of the ozonator.  Bromine levels can be measured by a simple test.  Any sign of a loss of water quality can signal inadequate ozonation or bromine levels.  Cloudy water or algae are the most obvious signs of the need to improve sanitizing.  I hope that I have been helpful.

Sincerely.  Alan Schuster, 6/14/2004

 

► Bromine Usage and Ozone? 

I have a 25K gallon in ground pool that uses bromine for  sanitation.    We have had the pool for 9 years and it is 15 years  old currently.  It has been relatively easy to maintain.  My question is that with bromine, we have to shock the pool almost  every other day in the peak of summer when it is used a lot and the  water temp is up around 80.   I am assuming that this is because bromine is un-stabilized and degrades quickly from the Sun.  So the real question is what type of auto generating systems can we add to this pool to ease the high volume of shocking?   Looking at  Ozonators, Salt Generators, etc, but find very little info when it comes to supporting a bromine system.  Thanks for your help.

Scott R., 4/2/2008

This is a good question and you are wise to ask it.  Even if you stop using bromine, bromide ions will remain.  Adding chlorine will convert the bromides to bromine and the process keeps recycling.  If you add a salt chlorine generator, it will have to be set at a higher than normal setting and this will shorten the life of the cell and create more of a pH rise.  Many salt chlorine generator manufacturers do not recommend having bromides present.  An ozone generator is not a stand alone sanitizing system.  It needs back up.  It provides oxidation without the addition of chemicals that lead to chemistry changes or buildup.  If you use an ozone generator, it will carry the burden of the oxidations or wastes and organic byproducts.  That leaves the bromine for sanitizing and backup.  Under these circumstances, you will need far less bromine and should be able to set the goal at a lower 1-2 PPM level.   Because bromides are present, you can use the less expensive chlorine to maintain the low bromine level, as it will be converted.  Adding a Frog mineral sanitizer, which can be used with bromine and ozone, will provide persistent backup and help minimize bromine/chlorine use.  I hope that this information will prove to be helpful.

Sincerely.  Alan Schuster, 4/3/2008

 

► Ozone And Chlorine In A Pool?

My pool is currently being maintained, by myself, with chlorine tablets in a feeder.  I have gotten good results so far, but the dealer recently told me that I will have to replace half of the pool water, the next few months, because the stabilizer level is getting too high.  Is that necessary?  If I were to add an ozonator to the pool, would that be helpful?  Thanks for the input.

Jeff D., Sunrise, FL, 1/4/2005

It is good practice to replace some of the pool water, when the cyanuric acid level rises above 150 PPM, as high levels will decrease the efficiency of the chlorine.  In short, you'll be forced to maintain a higher, than normal, level of free chlorine.  Adding an ozonator would be very helpful!  The ozonator would provide much of the needed oxidizing function that is necessary to destroy wastes, dead algae and debris.  This means that you'll need to add less chlorine to maintain a satisfactory free chlorine level.  Adding less chlorine will not only save money, but it will slow up the increases in cyanuric acid levels that are due to the addition of the chlorine.  In addition, I would expect that you'll have fewer algae problems, because it is less likely that the free chlorine levels will deplete quickly.  I hope that the information will be of help.

Sincerely.  Alan Schuster, 1/4/2005

 

Ozone And UV SanitizingTogether?

Is there any systems in which you can use an ozonator and UV?  So no need for Chlorine or Bromine.  Also what are your feelings on Steel vs. Concrete pools under the vinyl?  Thanks.

John S., 4/27/2008

The easy one first.  I would choose concrete:  it stronger, doesn't rust and the walls will not bow or flex.  You can add UV Sanitizing and an Ozone Generator, but as two separate units.  It will virtually assure you that the return flow will be devoid of living algae and bacteria.  However, the pool walls and water can still support algae and bacteria.  Keeping a low level of chlorine, about 1 PPM, will prevent growth in the pool and on the walls.  The ozonator will carry the burden of oxidizing wastes and very little chlorine will actually be required.  The odorous form of chlorine will be destroyed, as the water returns to the pool.  There should be little or no sensation of chlorine.  The fact that you will be able to maintain this low level of free chlorine, with only minimal amounts of chemicals, will act as conformation that proper conditions exist and that everything is functioning properly.  For more about UV sanitizing go to:  www.deltauv.com  For more about ozone generators go to:  www.waterquality.net  If you add the relatively inexpensive Circulators, to your returns, that will eliminate any dead zones that could promote algal and bacterial growth.  I hope that you will find this information helpful.

Sincerely.  Alan Schuster, 4/27/2008

 

► Ozone  And A Salt Chlorinator?

I live in Venezuela and we live in the mountains where is cool and we have a pool of about 41,000 gallons that is currently heated to about 90 degrees and this is forcing us to increase our chemical usage.  The kids eyes are being affected. I would like to move towards using less chemicals and would like to get a ozone generator and/or combination of a salt chlorinator. Could you recommend something?

Luis R., Venezuela, 2/13/2007

The combination of a salt chlorine generator and an ozone generator should be a great improvement.  While a combination unit does exist, I would not recommend it.  Your pool is quite large and the temperature will be on the high end.  You should have full sized or even oversized units.  For a salt chlorine generator that will do the job properly, I suggest AutoPilot.  The ozonator will provide backup oxidation and help minimize the amount of chlorine required.  This will create more pleasant conditions and help the extend the life of the salt cell.  I hope that this information proves helpful.

Sincerely.  Alan Schuster, 2/13/2007

 

► Hydrogen Peroxide As A Backup?

I read some of the information on your website regarding using ozone in a pool with a sanitizer like chlorine, bromine, ionizers, or mineral sanitizers, but I was wondering couldn't you also use hydrogen peroxide as a residual sanitizer?  Any additional information you could provide on this would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks

Vince, 6/11/2004

Hydrogen peroxide is not used as a pool water sanitizer.  It is used only as an oxidizer, primarily with biguanide maintained pools.  Biguanide acts as a sanitizer and hydrogen peroxide acts as an oxidizer and not as a sanitizer.  With an ozonator, you don't need an additional oxidizer, as ozone amply fills that need.  What you do need is a permanent backup sanitizer and, in this role, chlorine, bromine, mineral sanitizers or ionizers can be used.  This way, if ozone is not being produced, for a short period of time, there will still be some sanitizer present.  I hope that this information proves helpful.

Sincerely.  Alan Schuster, 6/11/2004

 

Pool Water Sanitizing Duo?

I will be installing an ozonator and a mineral sanitizer in my heated inground pool.  My wife is sensitive to chlorine and we want to completely avoid all such use.  Do you think that this combination will work?  Is there equipment that I can install that will automatically adjust the water? I am interested in reducing the maintenance and time requirements, as much as possible.  Thank you.  Terrific website!!!

Joel, 3/18/2006

The combination of an ozonator and mineral sanitizer should satisfy most of the sanitizing requirements of your pool.  You should still keep a low level of chlorine and, because of the ozonator, much less chlorine will be required.  There are pool automation controllers that can be used to operate just about everything that is electrical and then some:  filtration, temperature, water level, water chemistry, pool cleaning and more.  They can definitely save time.  I hope that I have been helpful.  Enjoy the pool.

Sincerely.  Alan Schuster, 3/18/2006

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