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Ozone (O 3)
is a form of oxygen (O2)
and is a powerful oxidizing agent that can help control microorganisms, destroy
organic contamination, build up byproducts, dead algae and organic debris.
It is not a complete spa or hot tub sanitizer, in the truest sense, because
ozone does not remain in water for long periods of time.
In a spa or hot tub, there must be a backup sanitizer such as, chlorine or bromine,
usually at about 1/2 the normal level. Because the ozonator does
most of the oxidizing, an Ozonator, also known as an Ozone
Generator, will reduce the quantity of the backup sanitizer required for proper
sanitation. This is especially
important in larger heavy bather usage situations.
The devices that generate Ozone fall into two
categories: UV or Corona discharge. Commercial spas and other high
bather usage installations should utilize a unit, as it is sized to be capable
of producing the greater quantities of ozone, that these situations require. With ozonation, the water
chemistry should be maintained in the typical
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What Is Ozone?
My wife and I have been looking at hot tubs.
Some of them seem to come equipped with an ozone device or offer it as an option.
How does this work? Is it worth getting?
M & L, Rutherford, CA,
3/29/2004
Ozone is a
highly reactive form of oxygen. Ozone (O3)
contains 3 atoms
of oxygen. The oxygen (O2)
we breathe contains 2 atoms. It is this third atom of oxygen that allows
ozone to oxidize or destroy organic wastes and contamination, bacteria, algae,
etc. in spa or hot tub water. It is effective, even at very low levels.
The only limitation is that once produced it quickly leaves the water. If
ozone is not continuously produced, there will be periods where there may be
little sanitizer present. For this reason, in spas and hot tubs, ozone is
used in conjunction with a backup sanitizer, such as chlorine, bromine,
mineral
sanitizers or ionization. In spas and hot tubs, ozone can be introduced in
the water with the use of a device called an
Ozone Generator or Ozonator.
The use of ozone will not eliminate the need to add other
chemicals or maintain proper water chemistry, but it will reduce the amount of chemicals
required and should simplify maintenance.
It's worth having! For more information on Ozone and Ozone
Generators go to:
www.waterquality.net I hope that I have been helpful. Good
luck with your choice.
Sincerely. Alan Schuster,
3/29/2004
► Ozone And
Bromine In A Spa?
I am a new spa owner of 4
months. We have a spa with an ozonator and treat it with bromine. I run the
ozonator about 4 hrs twice a day. I had problems with a rash using chlorine
and find the bromine is also a problem, no one else in my family has any
trouble. My question is I can not keep the bromine level down, we live in the
northern states so it is covered a high percentage of the time now in winter.
It can stay up around 10 plus on test strips after 15seconds. Is there
anything that can be done to lower bromine levels?
Rick L., 12/15/2003
Ozone can do a very effective job of removing organic
wastes and byproducts that would. otherwise, react with the bromine. While
it necessary for ozonation to use a backup sanitizer, such as bromine, the
amount re quired should be considerably less.
You can instantly lower the bromine levels by adding a small amount, as per
label
directions, of a chlorine neutralizer. This product is only intended
as a solution for an occasional overdose and not as part of routine treatment.
Once the bromine level has been reduced - you will probably only need 1-3 PPM as
opposed to 3.5 PPM - cut back on the amount of bromine being used.
Inasmuch as you are the only one suffering from a rash, you might be sensitive
to chlorine and bromine in the hot water application. You can reduce the
chlorine and bromine levels dramatically, by supplementing the
ozonator with a
mineral sanitizer or ionization unit. This will provide the necessary backup
sanitation, for those periods when ozone is not being produced or many not be
available. Some mineral sanitizers cannot be used in water that contains
bromides. Only THE FROG Mineral Sanitizer can be used in a spa that
contains bromides or bromine. I hope that this information will prove
helpful. Enjoy the holidays.
Sincerely. Alan Schuster,
12/16/2003
►
Getting Set
Up?
Great web site Alan. I am in the process of setting up a spa (approx 450 gal). I will be
installing
an ozonator and probably using a mineral purifier. I would like to
minimize bromine and chlorine, and minimize maintenance. Can you recommend
a top of the line ozonator? Secondly, are there any other
devices I can install that will automatically balance the water, so maintenance
is reduced? Lastly, can you recommend which chemicals would be best
suited, both type and brand.
Thanks
again.
Steven, 4/20/2003
UltraPure
Water Quality has been manufacturing quality
Ozone Generators
for over 20 years.
The
use of a
mineral
sanitizer will add a backup sanitizer and should help you to
greatly reduce chlorine or bromine usage.
THE FROG Mineral Sanitizer is the only one suitable for use with bromine. In addition, this
combination will minimize the frequency of pH and total alkalinity
adjustments. Having the water tested and balanced, will get you off on the
right foot. Thereafter, some periodic adjustments will have to be made,
based upon the usage patterns of your spa and the nature of your source
water. There is nothing that will automatically balance the water - at
least nothing that you should get involved with. I hope that I have been
of assistance. Thanks for visiting the website and enjoy the spa.
Sincerely.
Alan Schuster, 4/21/2003
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► Ozone Or No Ozone?
Hello, hopefully
you might be able to help me. I have a question about Ozonators. I am buying
a spa and it has been recommended that I do not need an ozonator, The dealer also
mentioned with a 1 year old child that might be in the spa with us, it is not
recommended. It seems everyone recommends getting one? I have a friend who
told me he lowers the temp of his spa in the summer time and says he has to have
an ozonator in order to keep it clean. I haven't read anything to support that
theory. What are your thoughts, should I invest the extra $200 bucks or not.
Thanks for any feed back.
Mike, 8/30/2003
This is almost a no brainer. I can't think of a reason for you not to put
in an
ozone purification system, aside from the fact that you don't want ozone being produced
while the bathers, especially children, are using the spa. The ozonator
should shut off, if the pump is switched to high speed. The ozonator
will go a long way towards maintaining optimum water quality. It is worth
the extra money and will pay for itself in terms of reduced chemical usage.
I hope that I have been helpful.
Sincerely. Alan Schuster, 8/30/2003
► Drain And
Fill?
Hello Alan! G. B. the dj
here! The wife and I just traded one top of the line spa for another top
of the line spa, And boy do we love it. We now have 500 gallons of
beautiful city water in our new tub and it costs us 50 cents to fill'er up.
For 4 years I struggled with water issues with bromine and biguanide; never
really happy with our water clarity (OR LACK OF). Now for my question?
Can I forget most of the chemical stuff and simply drain all or part of the
water each week and not damage the spa or the wife? We use our tub 4 or
5 times a week and LOVE IT. Thanks, dude.
G. B., 1/24/2005
We certainly
don't want to "damage" the wife! Most high end spas come with an
ozone generator or should. Newer units probably have the ozonator on a
separate low speed pump and this allows for better performance, as ozonation
takes place throughout the day. Biguanide has a tendency to foam and this
can interfere with the action of the ozonator. In addition, biguanide,
after a period of time, can result in the formation of resistant microorganisms
and lead to unsatisfactory conditions. Bromine and ozone usually work well
together. Now for your question. The practice of "drain
and fill" is only practical for jetted tubs that have a relatively small volume
of water. Using your spa, in this manner, will turn the water into old bath
water within a few days, at most. The conditions will get
progressively worse and could "damage" yourself and the wife. I suggest
that you go with an ozonator and either a
mineral sanitizer and/or bromine.
Test the water regularly and there should be few problems. I hope that I
have been helpful and that you keep loving the spa.
Sincerely.
Alan Schuster, 1/25/2005
► Knows What Works?
I just happened to run across
your website and can't believe all the information you have. Great site! Thanks!
10 years ago, I bought a new hot tub (350 gal) and it was a horrible
experience getting the water right. It was green, it was milky, just about
everything others have described in their e-mails. I must have changed the
water 3 times before I just stopped putting all those chemicals that the store
got me to buy, $150.00 worth. My water is so clear, no foaming, just right. I
have an ozonator and I have to assume it still works for the only thing I put in
my water is a little shock once in a while and clean the filter. Well, I'm ready
for a new one, one with more jets and I fear I will have the same experience I
had 10 years ago. The hot tub manufacturer suggests I DON'T get an ozonator. I
called the store this morning and requested one be installed anyway after
reading all your problems folks have here on your site. When I explained
to the store how old my tub is and how maintenance free it has been, they just
said I was very lucky. Can you give me any advise on making the installation of
my new hot tub a good experience? Thanks again and I have given so many
people this website.
Gloria V., 6/6/2006
Yes. Have
an
ozone generator installed.
Preferably one that uses a second pump and can run
24/7. That way all you should need is a periodic addition of chlorine or shock
treatment. To be on the safe side, try and keep a free chlorine level of about
1 PPM. It should take very little chlorine because of the ozonator. But, you
already know this! You know what works for you, so why change???
You might consider adding a
mineral sanitizer. It only adds sanitizing ions and
acts as a backup for the ozonator. Want something that can add to the
water quality.
Micron high efficiency spa filters can even
remove microorganisms. It remove particles that pass right thru ordinary spa
filters. For more information go to:
www.micropure.ca
Good luck and enjoy the new spa.
Sincerely.
Alan Schuster, 6/6/2006
► How Much Is Enough?
Thanks for your awesome
website! It's a great source of information. I recently started using a
silver ion purifier with my hot tub ozonator. As per the manufacturer of the
ion purifier, I've been adding shock with each use. However, I'm having some
turbidity issues. My pH and alkalinity are within the recommended limits. Do
you have any thoughts on this? In addition, how do I know that my ozonator is
working? What is a typical ozone concentration in water that my ozonator should
be maintaining in order to be effective? I'm considering purchasing a LaMotte
test kit to monitor the ozone levels. Any information you can provide will be
appreciated. Thanks.
Cathy, 3/18/2005
Ozone functions
at very low levels and does not remain in the water for long periods of time.
It is best to operate the
ozonator for period throughout the day, instead of a
single long run. I suggest 4, 2-hour sessions spaced apart.
Mineral Sanitizers must be used with
oxidizers or shock treatment. Ozonators
do not necessarily have to be used with shock, although it is a good practice to
add some at first signs of a loss of water quality or after heavy bather usage.
When
testing
for ozone, make sure the unit is operating and sample near the return
flow. Concentrations are low, just a few hundredths of a PPM. You
might be able to smell it, when the cover is removed.
There is no ready explanation for
your turbid water, other than inadequate oxidation or filtration. Try
maintaining a low level of chlorine, about 1 PPM. With an ozonator
functioning it should require little chlorine. If that is not the case,
the ozonator might not be being used properly or outputting enough ozone.
I hope that you will find the information helpful and thanks for your kind
comments.
Sincerely.
Alan Schuster, 3/18/2005
► Difference Of
Opinion?
My wife and I recently
purchased a spa. We have been thinking about adding a ozonator. Our spa only has
one pump for filtering and jets. Would we be wasting our time buying a ozonator?
We have heard so many different stories from different spa dealers. Some say
that we wouldn't be gaining much without a separate circulating pump. I would
like your comment on the subject. Thanks!
Curt H., 2/28/2005
It is true
that many higher end spas have a separate low speed pump just for the
ozonator.
This allow ozone to produced throughout the day. Since ozone doesn't
remain in the water for extended periods of time, this is clearly the better way
to ozonate. Not all spas are
equipped with two pumps, but can still benefit from the improved water quality
an ozonator can produce. All that is required is for the timer to be set,
so that the ozonator operates for 4 2-hour periods, spaced throughout the day.
That way the spa is never more than a few hours from ozonation.
This is not something
inflexible and individual requirements should allow for differences. But,
the theory is the same: ozonate for periods spread out during the day and
not in a single continuous run. In either case, a backup sanitizer, such
as a
mineral sanitizer, chlorine or bromine, should be employed. An
ozonator will help enhance your spa experience and make water quality simpler
and more consistent. Go for it and enjoy the spa.
Sincerely.
Alan Schuster, 2/28/2005
►
Sensitive To Spa Water?
I wrote to you earlier this year about a problem I am having with my
spa. I will review the problem. Two years ago I installed a spa. My wife
and I enjoyed its use almost very night for about three months. Then my wife started
to get an itch that would not go away. She went to her doctor and then to a
dermatologist. He said my wife had eczema and advised her to have a warm bath after
using the hot tub and he prescribed some creams. My wife is 68 years old and has
never had skin problems so I had some doubts about his findings. She continued to
use the hot tub about once a week but the itchiness continued. So early this year I
thought that I would change from bromine to chlorine and sought your advice on the change
over. I have been using chlorine for about six months and there is no improvement in
her condition. I still suspect that my wife is sensitive to some chemical in the hot
tub. I substituted baking soda for the alkalinity control and now am wondering if it
is the chemical causing the itchiness. Would you please comment on this? If
you think it could be the problem, should I empty my spa and start with a store bought
alkalinity agent? Thank you for your help.
Nelson D., Oberon, AR,
8/1/2004
I doubt that
the baking soda is part of the problem. It is amongst the most innocuous of
chemicals. Bromine contributes certain byproducts to the water and if
you did not drain the spa before switching, I suggest that you do so at this
time. Otherwise, even though
you are adding chlorine, it is being converted to bromine. My best suggestion
are that you get an
Ozonator installed
(unless the spa came with one already installed). This will allow you to use far less
chemicals to maintain sanitation.
In fact, you could use the Ozonator, in conjunction with an Ionizer or
Mineral Sanitizer and be close to chlorine and bromine
free.
►
Hydrogen
Peroxide?
We have a hot tub and would like
to use hydrogen peroxide instead of the normal chemicals. My husband is
allergic to the chlorine and bromides. How much Hydrogen peroxide do we
use and what %. We were told that it should be a 10% concentration but we
can't find any hydrogen peroxide above 3%. I thought maybe you could help
us. Also do we nee to use any kind of a shock at the first? Hope you
can help---Thanks.
Jo, 7/10/2005
I am not sure
that using just hydrogen peroxide will provide adequate sanitation. In
pools and spas, it is used as a shock treatment with biguanide. It is
available in concentrated form in many pool and spa outlets that offer biguanide
products. Have you considered the use of an
ozone generator and a
mineral
sanitizer or ionizer. This combination would come close to
being chlorine and bromine
free. The ozonator could negate the need for hydrogen peroxide and a mineral
sanitizer or ionizer would release metallic ions and act as a
persistent sanitizer. Hydrogen peroxide
can be used as a
shock treatment and a mineral sanitizer or ionizer as the primary water sanitizer.
However, in most cases better results are obtained, if you maintain a lower level
of chlorine or bromine. For a more automated approach to sanitizing and pH
control, you might consider the
TechnoPure Ionization-Oxidation
system. This NASA-developed technology, utilizes the
dual ionization or copper and zinc ions for sanitizing and the generation of
active forms of oxygen to destroy waste and contamination
I hope that I've been helpful and given you some food for thought. Good
luck with your decision.
Sincerely.
Alan Schuster, 7/10/2005
Sounds ideal for sensitive people. Good luck and I hope that this leads to a solution.
Sincerely. Alan Schuster,
8/2/2004
► Retrofitting An
Ozonator?
I purchased a house with an
older spa that does not have an ozonator. Is it possible to add one, and
how would I go about it? Thank you.
Jay S., 5/27/2004
An ozonator
can be added to an existing spa. Most newer spas are equipped with one or
have provisions for their addition, within the confines of the existing
cabinetry. Older units may not be able to accommodate an
ozonator within
the enclosed cabinet and may require an external installation. In either
case, a local spa professional should be able to help you determine your best
options. It's a wise move.
Sincerely.
Alan Schuster, 5/27/2004
► To Backup Or Not To
Backup?
Alan, I appreciate your website and
the info you present on spa maintenance. It has been most helpful to myself, a
new spa owner in Minnesota. My question is this: I have purchased a new spa
with an advanced water management system that has a continual low
speed circulating pump ozonator with no down time. In addition, I run the
circulating pump of the spa 4 cycles a day for 1 hour. In reading your
responses to questions regarding ozonators you are concerned with a back up
sanitizer for down time. If my spa has no down time how important is a backup
sanitizer such as mineral ionization? My other question-how necessary is
shocking with chlorine after each use or on a weekly basis as you recommend
with the continual ozonator my spa has? I look forward to your response.
Thanks for your time regarding these concerns. Sincerely.
Keith R., 8/25/2003
Good questions. If
ozone is being produced
continuously, the need for a backup sanitizer is diminished. It is
probably not a clear cut case of not being needed. More likely it is a
case of being safe or being even safer.
Depending upon bather load and other factors, a backup sanitizer is
still a good idea. These same factors can determine whether, or not, periodic
shocking is required. The purpose of the periodic treatment is to prevent the
development of resistant microorganisms and not just to deal with bather
wastes. You could probably do without the shock treatment, but it would be
safer to do it once a month or a first signs of a loss of water quality. I hope
that I have been helpful.
Sincerely. Alan Schuster, 8/25/2003
► Backup Spa Sanitizer Choice?
I just received a 200 gallon spa from our relatives about 5
years old. I plan on using bromine along with an ozonator. The question I have
is the manufacturer recommend the use of lithium hypochlorite with the ozonator.
They say a part cupful can be added by hand as needed. I am not sure of this, as
bromine and lithium hypo are two different chemicals. I think they mean to use
Lithium Hypo solely along with the ozonator. Could you please clarify this
for me?
Bob, 8/11/2005
For proper sanitation, an
ozonator should be used with a persistent sanitizer, such as
bromine or chlorine. Bromine is very popular in this application. It
can be added in a variety of ways and is essentially odorless. Lithium
hypochlorite is less popular, even amongst chlorine types, and can produce some
chlorine-related odors. I would use bromine on a regular basis, along with
the ozonator. You could use the lithium hypochlorite, as a shock treatment
to quickly boost the bromine level, as it will convert to bromine in a
bromine-maintained spa. The choice is yours. I think the
manufacturer was merely trying to make sure that you used a backup sanitizer
with the ozonator. I hope that I have been helpful.
Sincerely. Alan Schuster, 8/11/2005
►
Biguanide and Ozone In A
Spa?
My spa was supplied with an Ozonator
already installed. I currently use some bromine to act as a back up. Would it
be possible to stop the bromine and start using biguanide as a back up? I think that
my wife is sensitive to bromine and chlorine. Thank you.
Marc P.,
11/1/2005
Yes, you can use biguanide and
ozone, based on a leading biguanide manufacturer's recommendations. I suggest that
you start by draining and cleaning the spa. That way you'll get rid of all of the
bromide salts and start off with a clean slate. You should only need to maintain a
minimum level of biguanide, because of the
Ozonator. Follow the directions on the
label and test at least twice weekly, until you get a handle on how much biguanide you need
to add periodically. One of the possible drawbacks, for the use of
biguanide and ozone, is that the foaming caused by the biguanide can interfere
with the venturi effect, by which ozone is introduced into the water. There is another possibility that you might want to consider.
Why not use an Ionizer or a
Mineral
Sanitizer with your Ozonator? If
sensitivity to chemicals is a consideration, this makes a lot of practical sense.
►
Hydrogen
Peroxide?
We have a hot tub and would like
to use hydrogen peroxide instead of the normal chemicals. My husband is
allergic to the chlorine and bromides. How much Hydrogen peroxide do we
use and what %. We were told that it should be a 10% concentration but we
can't find any hydrogen peroxide above 3%. I thought maybe you could help
us. Also do we nee to use any kind of a shock at the first? Hope you
can help---Thanks.
Jo, 7/10/2005
I am not sure
that using just hydrogen peroxide will provide adequate sanitation. In
pools and spas, it is used as a shock treatment with biguanide. It is
available in concentrated form in many pool and spa outlets that offer biguanide
products. Have you considered the use of an
ozonator and a
mineral
sanitizer or ionizer. This combination would come close to
being chlorine and bromine
free. The ozonator could negate the need for hydrogen peroxide and a mineral
sanitizer or ionizer would release metallic ions and act as a
persistent sanitizer. Hydrogen peroxide
can be used as a
shock treatment and a mineral sanitizer or ionizer as the primary water sanitizer.
However, in most cases better results are obtained, if you maintain a lower level
of chlorine or bromine.
For an automated approach to sanitizing and pH
control, you might consider the
TechnoPure Ionization-Oxidation
system. This technology, utilizes the dual ionization
or copper and zinc ions for sanitizing and the generation of active forms of
oxygen to destroy waste and contamination. It has worked, for NASA, on the
moon, so it perform well on Earth.
I hope that I've been helpful and given you some food for thought. Good
luck with your decision.
Sincerely.
Alan Schuster, 7/10/2005
Browse through the archives for more on the topic. Good luck and I hope that
I have been helpful.
Sincerely.
Alan Schuster, 11/1/2005
► Ozone
And The Environment?
Will my spa's ozonator add to the problem with the
Earth's ozone layer?
John H., 1/5/2006
No! The small amount of
ozone produced will quickly decompose, back into oxygen, after leaving the spa.
I hope this puts your mind, at ease.
Sincerely. Alan Schuster,
1/5/2006
► Pool And
Spa Sanitizer Compatibility?
My wife
and I recently purchased a hot tub. Expecting delivery shortly. The salesman
is pushing biguanide like he owns stock in the company. Although he talked us
into the ozone generator, he suggested we “unplug” it and use biguanide, as a
sanitation regime. I am currently leaning towards the ozonator coupled
with a mineral purifier and occasional shock as needed. Dichlor? Let me
know! My concern is, we currently have a pool treated with biguanide. Our
teenage kids will likely going between the hot tub and pool. Should we be
concerned with any chemical incompatibility problems considering the two
different sanitation regimes with the pool & spa? Your expert advise is
welcome, as we are novices. Great web site! I also recently ordered your
spa/hot tub book and look forward to reviewing its contents, so you are not
bothered with more annoying questions from us! Many thanks.
Edward S., San Clemente,
CA, 3/31/2004
Use the
ozone generator and forget about the biguanide! You'll be happier in the long
run, using the combination of ozone and a
mineral sanitizer. With
biguanide, you'll have foaming problems and a greater potential of resistant
microorganism problems.
The issue of compatibility is a
really good question. Biguanide and any
mineral sanitizer
are incompatible. And yes, there will probably be cross contamination
between the pool and the spa.
Want to know what I would do under these circumstances? I would stop the
biguanide in the pool and add an ozone generator and a mineral sanitizer. This
eliminates any incompatibility and you should have quality water in both places.
It is almost inevitable that sooner or later you will have to give up the
biguanide. Pools that are maintained on biguanide seem to have a high
probability, of the formation of a sanitizer-resistant microorganism, after a
few years of use. Check the archives for biguanide in pools and spa to see
some examples. Dichlor is appropriate and the questions are never
annoying! I hope that you'll find this information helpful.
Sincerely.
Alan Schuster, 3/31/2004
► Ozone And
Monopersulfate?
After looking through your
list of Q&A, I did not see anything about monopersulfate. I have a 500 gallons
spa and I use an ozonator and spa shock. Also, because it is used
frequently by many people, we were told to use a sanitizer. My question is,
when I use the strip test it shows that the pH balance and alkalinity are good
but the mps (monopersulfate) is at the very low end. The test strip shows a
normal level would be purple in color and mine show white. What should I do to
remedy this problem, and what happens if nothing is done to correct this. Thank
you
Nicole, 7/10/2004
You should use
a backup sanitizer, with an
ozone generator.
However, monopersulfate is not a sanitizer. It
is an oxidizing agent.
I suggest that you use bromine, as the backup. You can either use bromine
tablets in a floater or add a dose of sodium bromide monthly and continue with
the periodic additions of the monopersulfate. The sodium bromide will be
oxidized to bromine by the monopersulfate. With the ozonator, you should
be able to have excellent quality water, by maintaining a bromine level of 1-2
PPM. Bromine can be measured on most
spa test strips. During
peak bather loads or whenever the bromine level is too low, just add some more
monopersulfate to boost the level. I hope that the information proves
helpful.
Sincerely.
Alan Schuster, 7/10/2004
► pH
And An Ozonator?
My spa is equipped with an ozonator and a Spa
Frog Mineral Sanitizer. Does the ozonator affect the pH?
Greg M., Fresno, CA, 12/12/2006
The
ozonator
produces
ozone by combining 3 molecules of Oxygen (O2)
and forming two molecules of Ozone (O3).
There is no affect on the pH. During the reaction of ozone
with the organics wastes, by-products could be formed, that affect pH.
The effect, in a properly balanced spa, should be minimal.
The Spa Frog Mineral
Sanitizer will help add stability to the
pH, as it provides sanitizing action. I hope that this information is
helpful.
Sincerely. Alan
Schuster, 12/12/2007
► Ozonator And
A Salt Brominator?
Alan, I am
awaiting the delivery of my hot tub which has been factory equipped with an
ozonator. However, I have added, through the factory, a bromine generator.
Will I be able to use the bromine generator in isolation or will I have or need
to use it with the ozonator? Also, when you refer to salt chlorinators
are they the same as bromine generators? Thanks.
Linda
K., 1/3/2004
I can't say
with certainty because there are too many possibilities. The brominator
can switch on when the filter is running, but can, also, be controlled with a
timer.
Ozone Generators can be controlled by a timer or may switch on whenever
the pump is running at low speed. In any event these devices only run when
the pump is running.
Salt chlorinators are similar in
technology, but there may be differences in the material used in the electrode
plates. Brominators utilize sodium bromide and salt chlorinators utilize sodium chloride. Always follow the
manufacturer's recommendation. I hope that I have been helpful.
Sincerely.
Alan Schuster, 1/3/2004
►
Why Do I Need To Add Bromine?
My spa came equipped with an Ozonator. I was told that ozone is a
sanitizer. But, I was also told that I should maintain a low level of bromine. Why? Thank you.
Bill F., Kalamazoo, MI,
4/15/2006
Ozonators are, indeed, very popular in spas.
The limitation of ozone is that once production has ceased, the ozone does not
remain in the water for any length of time. There is no residual. Fortunately,
in a spa, you can set the timer and pump to operate for periods throughout the day.
This helps keep the periods, without ozone, shorter and that helps in the control of
microorganisms. In order to assure that there is always some sanitizer present in
the spa water, it is typically recommended that a backup sanitizer be used.
In your case, the dealer suggested that bromine be used: a very popular
choice as a backup. You will have to add much less bromine because you have an
Ozonator and you should be able to keep it at a lower level(1-3 PPM, instead of 3-5
PPM). Ozone and bromine are a really good combination and the dealer made a good
recommendation. Adding a
SPA FROG
mineral sanitizer will allow you to use less bromine to maintain this low level
and will provide persistent backup sanitation. This product is a
recognized spa water, that can be used with bromine or chlorine. I hope that I have been of assistance.
Sincerely. Alan Schuster,
4/15/2006
► Is The Ozonator Working?
Hi Alan. How can you tell that the ozone is working,
I have a U.V. ozone generator approx. 2 years old. I am planning to use a
mineral purifier and ozone, because chlorine gives me a rash and biguanide keeps
clouding up within one week after filling. Should I buy a new ozone
generator to be safe? Thank you.
Tom, 1/29/2004
I can't tell whether or not you need an ozonator, but
you should check it out. Some
ozonators have indicators that can determine if
they are producing ozone. You might be able to smell ozone, after lifting the
cover. There are
test methods that can be used to
test for ozone.
If you are not producing enough ozone, the
mineral
sanitizer alone will not be able to keep the water clear because it cannot
destroy organic contamination and buildup: there would be a noticeable
loss of water quality!
The combination of ozone and a mineral sanitizer should work out very well for you. Just make sure that you
maintain the other spa water parameters: pH, TA and calcium hardness. I hope
that I have been helpful.
Sincerely. Alan Schuster, 1/30/2004
►
Needing A New Ozonator Chip?
I have an ozonator and want to know how to check if
it is operating. I was told as long as bubbles are coming out it is working.
Have to add a lot chemicals to keep it in balance. Is it worth upgrading the
system?
Larry C., 2/12/2005
Close, but no prize.
Bubbling only indicates that the venturi, by which ozone is introduced into
the return flow is functioning. This is not confirmation that ozone is
being produced. Corona-discharge ozonators, such as yours,
are capable of producing more than enough ozone and you should not have to add
"a lot of chemicals." If you can't smell it,
after removal of the cover, it is possible that no ozone is being produced.
It could simply be that a new Corona Discharge Replacement Chip needs to be
installed or it could be some other malfunction. The replacement chip
costs a lot less than a new
ozonator and is the most likely cause of the
problem. You should refer to a product trouble-shooting guide for more
insight. By all means you should restore proper ozonation, as it makes a
big difference in spa water quality. I hope that I have been helpful.
Sincerely. Alan Schuster,
2/12/2005
►
Ozone, Mineral Sanitizer & More?
I emailed you a month or so ago about mineral purifiers and
ozonators. Since then I have tried using dichlor for shock only to find
out that it gives me a rash for about 3 or 4 days. My pH and alkaline are
in good shape and I run my ozone for 12 hours a day, 6 on 6 off. I'm going to go back to a
non-chlorine shock. Do I still need to use a sanitizer like bromine or can
I get by with just the shock, purifier, and ozone? Thanks Again.
Curt M., Hays, Kansas, 5/13/2005
You might just be sensitive to
chlorinated cyanuric acid (dichlor and trichlor) and not necessarily to other
forms of chlorine. It is hard to tell, from this limited information. But, you
do know how to avoid the problem! Your
ozonator
should be able to meet most of the sanitizing requirements. Because
ozone does not remain in the water for long periods of time, I suggest that you
continue to space out the ozonation periods, throughout the day. The lack of
permanence is the reason for the need for backup sanitizing.
In this role, the
mineral sanitizer works well. You should only need to add the
non-chlorine shock after periods of heavy bather usage or upon signs of a loss
of water quality. Good luck and enjoy the spa.
Sincerely. Alan Schuster,
4/13/2005
►
Ozone and Ionization
In A Spa?
An Ozonator was installed, in my spa, as part of the
original equipment. I have been using chlorine as a backup. Would it make
sense to add an Ionizer as a backup? Will it eliminate chemicals? Thanks.
Phil, Sausalito, CA,
4/4/2004
Makes sense to me. Adding an Ionizer,
as a backup sanitizer will reduce the need for the chlorine. Inasmuch, as the
Ozonator
eliminates most of the need for shock treatment or other oxidizers, you should only have to
control the pH and total alkalinity. However, for best results,
maintain a free chlorine level of about 1 PPM, to act as a sanitizer backup. If you're looking for convenience, this should
fill the bill. I hope that I have been helpful.
Sincerely. Alan Schuster,
4/4/2004
►
Effects of
Ozone?
Alan, I have read about ozone in
which it is damaging to our lungs above 1ppm. I have a spa that ozone is
injected 24 hours a day and can be smelled when entered. Is this dangerous in
any way at all. If so what can I do? If I sit in the
spa for 15 minutes or more, I can notice my chest getting tight.
Is that from the heat or the ozone. Thanks.
Scott H., 3/11/2004
Yes, it is true
that ozone can be harmful, especially in high concentrations. However,
Ozonators do not
produce high levels of ozone and much of it reacts with the wastes in the spa
water. Elements of your question are clearly
medical in nature and I suggest that you seek appropriate medical advice, as to
the possible causes of your symptoms. There is something that you can do
to reduce the airborne concentration. Have an exhaust fan controlled by a
humidistat: this will help reduce the concentration. It is possible
to have ozone production suspended during actual use of the spa. My spa
did not produce ozone, with the high speed pump turned on. It only
produced ozone with the low speed setting, which was controlled by a
timer. The timer was set to avoid the most likely periods of use. I
hope that I have been of some assistance.
Sincerely.
Alan Schuster, 3/12/2004
►
Ozone And Chlorine
In A Spa?
I have been using a granular dichlor in
my spa. The results have been OK, but I would prefer less chemical odor. Would
adding an Ozonator help?
Bob C., CA,
12/15/2003
Definitely!
Ozone will act as a backup
sanitizer and allow you to maintain a lower level of chlorine.
In theory,
all you need is a trace amount of Free Chlorine. To play safe, I would suggest a
level of 0.5-1.0 PPM, as opposed to 1-3 PPM without the ozonator. In addition, you
should find much less of the odors associated with the reduced chlorine use.
Bromine,
mineral sanitizers or ionization units can, also, be used in the back-up
sanitizer role with ozone. I hope that I have
been helpful.
Sincerely.
Alan Schuster, 12/16/2003
►
Ozone And How Much Chlorine?
Thanks for your website. I have a question. I just learned that the spa
that came with the house I bought has an Ozonator in it. I don't know how
old it is. I read all the responses on Ozone and Chorine and I do not understand
how I can know how much Chlorine to put in my spa? "Keeping a level of 0.5-1.0
PPM" sounds like a question of faith that the Ozonator is working and it is
clear that they become less effective with time. As they become less effective,
I would expect to be adding more backup sanitizer. But how much? Thanks.
Greg, 4/2/2007
The addition of an ozonator is something that will make
maintenance easier and produce higher quality water. It will reduce the
chemical consumption. Using an
ozone generator helps reduce chlorine additions.
However, how much chlorine is required will depend on the ozone output, how it
is produced over time and bather activity. There is no set amount that you can
add. Test the water and make additions, as needed. You can test for
ozone, to confirm the unit is working. Visit the
website test
equipment store, for more information.
For testing purposes, I suggest the
LaMotte Insta-Test Strips,
as they provide the right kind of information. Because ozone levels are
fleeting, you might add a
SPA FROG
mineral sanitizer, as well. The combination of the two work well together.
All you should need is a very low level of chlorine, one half the usual level.
Bromine would be a better choice, than
chlorine, as there is less odor and it is less irritating. You would need 1-3
PPM, when used with the SPA FROG.
To further
assure optimum water quality and to reduce chemical usage, you might add a
MicroPure
high efficiency spa filter cartridge. I hope that this information proves
helpful.
Sincerely.
Alan Schuster, 4/2/2007
►
Indoor
Ozone?
Alan, we are creating a spa room. It will have a ceiling fan/vent and
windows that open, but we do live in Michigan and will not be leaving them open
all year. We are looking at a spa with a Corona discharge Ozonator to
place in the room. We were told by that this would be dangerous and
could cause dangerous health risks by being indoors. Is this true?
Cathy in MI, 3/21/2003
Corona discharge
units are capable of producing higher ozone levels than UV units. That
means in the winter months, with the windows and the vents closed, it is
possible that the ozone will rise to unhealthy levels. Even with some
ventilation, you could still produce too much ozone. You don't want
to use the spa while ozone is being produced. You need some
safeguards that this will not happen! Make the choice based upon
your installation setup. Good luck and enjoy the spa.
Sincerely. Alan Schuster, 3/21/2003
► A CD Or UV Type Of
Ozonator?
Which is the better for an outside hot
tub? a CD ozonator or a uv ozonator? Thanks.
Tony H., 4/11/2007
A CD ozonator can produce
higher ozone levels, but the UV
Ozone Generators
are very capable units. For best results use, with a
Mineral Sanitizer
and a low level of bromine. I hope that this information is useful.
Sincerely. Alan Schuster, 4/12/2007
► Adding A
Floating Dispenser?
My spa (200 gallons with
ozonator) is being sanitized with chlorine. The tub is unattended for
sometimes as much as a week. Is there a Dispenser that can chlorinate when we
are not there? Thank You.
Al H., 9/8/2004
There are
floating dispensers that could be used with chlorine tablets, but it is not
something that I would recommend. The tablets are acidic and will dissolve
too rapidly at the temperature of a spa. You should be able to get by with
just boosting the free chlorine level to 3 PPM before leaving. If the
ozonator is on a timer and the water was in good condition before, upon
departure, the spa should remain in good condition. If you want to leave a
floating dispensing in the spa, you can do it with bromine. The bromine
product is slow dissolving, even at spa temperatures. You should be able
to get by with the dispenser set at the lowest level. I hope that this
information will prove helpful.
Sincerely.
Alan Schuster, 9/8/2004
►
Best Use Of A
Spa Ozonator?
My spa is equipped with an Ozonator and
I operate the pump (and the Ozonator) for 8 hours a day. We have it set to switch on
about 9 hours before we normally use the spa. That way the water is warm and the
conditions should be ideal. Is it better to run the spa for 4- 2 hour periods or 1-8
hour period?
J. D.,
12/2//2003
I would prefer
to operate the
ozone generator for 4-2 hour periods, instead of a single 8 hour period. Ozone sanitizes
best while it is operating.
Having four runs per day will sanitize the water four times daily and make
microorganism growth less likely. One 8 hour run will leave 16 hours without
effective ozonation.
You should be using a sanitizer backup such as:
chlorine, bromine,
mineral sanitizer or ionization. This helps assure sanitizer presence,
during the periods that ozone is not being produced. I hope that I have been
helpful.
Sincerely.
Alan Schuster, 12/2/2003

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